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shift conference : kara powell & dan kimball

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these are my notes. make a comment if you have a question. pictures from this pilgrim

kara powell : deep ministry

  • we have so many resources and are so professional that we have lost our entrepreneurial spirit
  • this kids i walked through life with i watched graduate on june 16th "i didn’t even think of what was happening on july 16th."
  • 80% of kids that graduate and drift away had no intention of drifting away.
  • the real test of youth ministry is where are they 5 or 10 years, or even 12 months after they graduate
  • shared a video from liveabove.com (kinda dramatic
  • what is it about the youth ministries that prepare students for things to come
  • dallas Willard, but now let us try a subversive thought. suppose our failures occur, not in spite of what we are …
  • deep ministry means we ask then act…
  • "the red bull rip off.." people love it because it gets them through that meeting then they have a post meeting collapse. our youth have a post youth group collapse, partly because they are so lonely.
  • the youth group kid who didn’t drink has the greatest increase of alcohol use when they get to college
  • we can’t continue to give mindless gospel, empty calories
  • dallas willard, "the gospel of sin management"
  • shouting about guilt wouldn’t work, so we whispered about grace.. we were going to heaven but we were not taking anyone with us.
  • our lives should be one of gratitude, our lives are great big thank you card to God
  • good, guilt, grace, gratitude. ask then act.. what gospel am i feeding kids?
  • when you think of God looking at you, what is the expression on God’s face?
  • ask then act.. are students welcome at our table??
  • the kids’ table catastrophe. there is the same meal, but two very different versions.
  • one eared mickey mouse. the kids who do more with intergenerational and interracial worship do better when they graduate.
  • how can our kids take their place at God’s divers kingdom table?
  • a new ratio of 5 adults per 1 youth
  • at our churches today we have done a good job of doing something we learned from culture, we outsource
  • how can we train students to feed themselves?
  • recovery, find a church/group, time & $, help come up with a plan for the first two weeks
  • they need help knowing how to recover when they fall.
  • if Jesus isn’t able to forgive a little partying then i need a new religion

dan kimball : they like Jesus but don’t like the church

  • scan the landscape, what do people think of Jesus?
  • the good news: there is a growing interest in Jesus in our emerging culture
  • prayer: "lord would you be offended by a bobble head Jesus?"
  • madonna "it is my plea that the audience to encourage mankind to help one another" "if Jesus were here today he would be doing the same thing."
  • people equate Jesus more like MLK and Gandhi, they don’t equate the resurrection. but the good news is that they already have an interest in him. Jesus is something people enjoy talking about
  • the bad news: there is a growing disinterest in "Christianity" and "church"
  • dan throws out a list of views of Christians.. some are spot on for what i am seeing and hearing here
  • Gandhi "i like your Christ, i do not like your Christians"
  • "pastors are creepy"
  • as we move into what i more of a post-Christian culture..
  • "my prayer is not that you take them out the world, but that you protect them from the evil one." -john17:15
  • the youth that i had that i can think of that are still in the faith were a part of the world, not in isolation
  • instead of being out in the world we conform this Christian subculture bubble
  • ..so all that people experience are usually the most aggressive and loudest Christian voices
  • dan tells some great stories of hanging with non-Christians
  • we as leaders will create these cultures to be the church, but be the church in the world
  • my subtle fear is that we swing the kingdom of heaven so far that we forget that there is a life after death
  • the good news: most churches and Christians are not what the perceptions are.
  • for our youth are we shaping an inward culture? or a missional culture?
  • maybe in the future when asked people of what they think of Christians they will say things like kind, loving and gentle

scot mcknight : missional Jesus

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these are my notes. a lot was said and very fast. make a comment if you have a question. maybe we can get scot to jump into the conversion. pictures from this pilgrim experience. jake & aaron attended the same meeting & will most likely have some good notes.

Scot McKnight
Missional Jesus

missional is today’s buzzword. buzzwords are good and sometimes they are bad. in the past discipleship became the buzzword. in the 80’s became ‘spiritual disciplines’ because of richard foster. then dallas willard shaped into ‘spiritual formation’ . people are nervous about evangelism that they use the word missional. evangelism has morphed into missional and is not as clear as evangelism so it is murky.

theology of the word missional

  • missional comes from mission literature, missiological studies. Missio Dei. there is a conviction that we have to discover what God’s mission in the world, and our responsibility is to participate in that mission. (acts1:8, talks of missional) what does God want us to do in this world versus what is our local church trying to accomplish
  • the church doesn’t do mission. the church is the mission. when the church isn’t missional it isn’t church. for a lot of people church is about sunday morning worship and a sermon. the mission of the church is to do what God’s mission in the world as God’s instrument
  • by talking about missional, we avoid simplistic evangelism. if you start talking of the mission of God as kingdom then evangelism is a lot more about what you do when you accept Jesus. it affirms holistic evangelism. it allows for justice and justice ministries. it requires ecumenical corroboration. increasingly denominations don’t matter and it is more about what God is doing in the local community. asserts the primacy of the kingdom of God.

Reading the bible:
What is God doing in this world in this text

Luke 1: 46-55 "Mary’s Song" (view on mary, we don’t have a good view on mary, just an anti-roman catholic view of mary) if you just had this text, what would you think Mary’s idea of what her son was going to do in this world. it is a mosaic of old testament hopes. you can see justice in here. do you see anything about going to heaven? Mary’s vision is that when the messiah came it would be the way God wanted it to be.
Luke 1: 67- "Zechariah’s Song" (is his view of his son john role similar?) "salvation from our enemies" who are the enemies? rome.. only after the end of all this does he turn to his son john the baptist. the vision is there is going to a society where there is going to justice and liberation. where they can worship God is holiness and righteousness.
Luke 3. looking at John the Baptist as he begins preaching. John gets to announce the coming of Jesus. verse 10, ‘anyone who has two shirts should share with the one that has none’.. a little like Mary. John’s first idea is about economic distribution. economic justice. verse 14, ‘don’t extort money and be content with your pay’. John is thinking of really concrete deeds.

if we just have Mary, Zechariah & John, what is the mission of God?

Society

  • Justice
  • Reformation
  • economic Justice
  • Revolution
  • Forgiveness
  • Liberation

Luke 4:14- Jesus Rejected at Nazareth, Jesus puts into claim these same things. he makes it really personal with saying "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your ears." (i learned it from my mother & uncle)

in the Beatitudes. he turns the knife on Herod. "whoa to you who are rich, you have already received your comfort." whoa.. whoa… check ’em out. it is almost exactly like Mary’s magnificat.

the mission according to these texts. Is to create a society of Justice.

Luke 7 : "are you the one that is supposed to come" the person from Malachi 3 & 4. Jesus say, "go tell him what you have seen and heard…"

What did Jesus expect? he had the same expectations.

Mary still had to learn this. in Mark she tries to rescue Jesus from himself. they call him to come home to mother and brothers and sisters.. and Jesus responds "who is my mother, who are my brothers and sisters?" ..

John 19 : Mary saw it coming. Jesus on the cross. he says, "take care of my mother. she has some dreams that have yet to come true."
Acts 1:14 : there is Mary with all the disciples, the brothers and sisters of Jesus. she is right there. then the Holy Spirit came and Mary was there.

all this. and Mary was right in the middle of it saying "this is what the magnificat is all about. the local church breaking bread together" imagine a society of Justice. a society of forgiveness, liberation, economic justice, reformation, and revolution.

the mission of Jesus, we are talking about the church as an alternative to culture and an embodiment of magnificat in place. it begins with you and me living it out daily. not by a mission statement. instead we have to live it out.

where the church went off-board

  • platonic dualism influenced the church
  • personal salvation, less on the church
  • slick marketing evangelism
  • i think Jesus used the language Kingdom for what God was doing in the world and Paul preached an aspect of the Kingdom..

four points on the missional community

  1. the mission of Jesus is to create the missional society, the missional community. it is a Jesus community Mark 3:31-35 it is the community of Jesus
  2. it is an alternative community. Jesus makes statements that are really un-believeable Matthew 17:24-27
  3. prophetic community, it speaks too and against the rest of society. Jesus had words for ceaser and herod and empire. he warned them and that things were not right.
  4. a moral community, the sermon on the mount is a moral map for the people who follow Jesus