these are my notes. make a comment if you have a question. pictures from this pilgrim

kara powell : deep ministry

• we have so many resources and are so professional that we have lost our entrepreneurial spirit
• this kids i walked through life with i watched graduate on june 16th "i didn’t even think of what was happening on july 16th."
• 80% of kids that graduate and drift away had no intention of drifting away.
• the real test of youth ministry is where are they 5 or 10 years, or even 12 months after they graduate
• shared a video from liveabove.com (kinda dramatic
• what is it about the youth ministries that prepare students for things to come
• dallas Willard, but now let us try a subversive thought. suppose our failures occur, not in spite of what we are …
• deep ministry means we ask then act…
• "the red bull rip off.." people love it because it gets them through that meeting then they have a post meeting collapse. our youth have a post youth group collapse, partly because they are so lonely.
• the youth group kid who didn’t drink has the greatest increase of alcohol use when they get to college
• we can’t continue to give mindless gospel, empty calories
• dallas willard, "the gospel of sin management"
• shouting about guilt wouldn’t work, so we whispered about grace.. we were going to heaven but we were not taking anyone with us.
• our lives should be one of gratitude, our lives are great big thank you card to God
• good, guilt, grace, gratitude. ask then act.. what gospel am i feeding kids?
• when you think of God looking at you, what is the expression on God’s face?
• ask then act.. are students welcome at our table??
• the kids’ table catastrophe. there is the same meal, but two very different versions.
• one eared mickey mouse. the kids who do more with intergenerational and interracial worship do better when they graduate.
• how can our kids take their place at God’s divers kingdom table?
• a new ratio of 5 adults per 1 youth
• at our churches today we have done a good job of doing something we learned from culture, we outsource
• how can we train students to feed themselves?
• recovery, find a church/group, time & $, help come up with a plan for the first two weeks
• they need help knowing how to recover when they fall.
• if Jesus isn’t able to forgive a little partying then i need a new religion

dan kimball : they like Jesus but don’t like the church

• scan the landscape, what do people think of Jesus?
• the good news: there is a growing interest in Jesus in our emerging culture
• prayer: "lord would you be offended by a bobble head Jesus?"
• madonna "it is my plea that the audience to encourage mankind to help one another" "if Jesus were here today he would be doing the same thing."
• people equate Jesus more like MLK and Gandhi, they don’t equate the resurrection. but the good news is that they already have an interest in him. Jesus is something people enjoy talking about
• the bad news: there is a growing disinterest in "Christianity" and "church"
• dan throws out a list of views of Christians.. some are spot on for what i am seeing and hearing here
• Gandhi "i like your Christ, i do not like your Christians"
• "pastors are creepy"
• as we move into what i more of a post-Christian culture..
• "my prayer is not that you take them out the world, but that you protect them from the evil one." -john17:15
• the youth that i had that i can think of that are still in the faith were a part of the world, not in isolation
• instead of being out in the world we conform this Christian subculture bubble
• ..so all that people experience are usually the most aggressive and loudest Christian voices
• dan tells some great stories of hanging with non-Christians
• we as leaders will create these cultures to be the church, but be the church in the world
• my subtle fear is that we swing the kingdom of heaven so far that we forget that there is a life after death
• the good news: most churches and Christians are not what the perceptions are.
• for our youth are we shaping an inward culture? or a missional culture?
• maybe in the future when asked people of what they think of Christians they will say things like kind, loving and gentle